Ep 25: You wanna take the dog where?! AND the cats?! Tips for traveling with your pets

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Okay, so today, it is a little empty in the chat room, because it's just going to be Dr. Jason and I

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What are you are talking about? our fantastic personalities will fill this chat room. Right, give me a break. I interrupted us. Okay, go ahead. Tell the listeners.

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All right. All right. All right. Yeah. So what we're going to do today is we're going to talk about one of our favorite things to do, and we hope it's one of your favorite things to do. We're going to talk about traveling with pets.

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That's one of our favorite things to do, or is that one of Dr. Jen the vet's favorite things to do? Let's clarify the

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Yes, it is one of my favorite things to do. So before there was Cozy the farm fresh Frenchie, there was Daisy, the best dog ever. And Charlene, and the second best dog ever.

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Go with that.

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And that well, because, I mean, okay, listeners, you guys know that. I think everyone gets at least one once in a lifetime dog. Right? Daisy was my once in a lifetime dog. And they never live long enough, even if their mom and their uncle are veterinarians. Yeah, so anyway, so now we have Cosette the farm fresh Frenchie, and she is the perfect size to do what

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travel I'm assuming. Or get under fences or whatever.

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Underneath to see

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Oh, I see. I see. That's if you're talking about traveling on an airplane, which we're gonna get into, I'm sure, right. Yes, we are.

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We can

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probably make How cool is that travels the title of the podcast because this is what we're going to talk about because she travels many different ways. Correct? She does, ciao. Alright, let's get right to it. All right, how does cozy? Oh,

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yeah. So what we're going to talk about international versus domestic, we're going to talk about getting their driver fly staying there, what to take, and then just some basic resources for any pet lover or animal lover who's going to travel with an animal. But before we do that, you guys know what we're gonna do? Hang with us till we get to the other side of this break.

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Okay, we're back. Let's talk about one of my favorite hobbies. Let's talk about traveling. And let's talk about is your pet Have the right pet to be your navigator. And if they are like, how do you how do you do that safely?

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So I think that's a great first question. Everybody not not okay, not everybody, but people who have pets. And that's a lot of a lot of folks, pet parents hasn't worked. When they travel, they want to take their pet, but may If so, you got to ask yourself, Is this what's best for the pet? Or just what's best for me? So only one person can really answer that. And that's certainly not you or me, it's, you know, the person who spends the most time with the pet and knows all of their personalities and quirks and all that. And you know, if your pet is just doesn't like getting in the car, even to go to the airport, maybe it's not not a good thing. So first, you need to assess some things about your traveling companion, before you sort of take them on a journey. Correct?

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Yeah, yeah. And I think one other key thing to bear in mind is, how much time on your trip are you going to have to devote to your pet? Right? Because, you know, like, Okay, I go to the Western veterinary conference every year in Las Vegas. And I would not take cars out there. Because when I am there, no, because I'm working. Everything is carpeted. And finding a place to go out of doors in Las Vegas can be trickier than it can be in other places. If

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you've never been, you don't want it. But actually, that's very true. You walk out of one of the hotels, you're automatically in somewhere else that's not outside authority. I had no idea and when I first went to Vegas, that's really great.

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It is it's one of those things like if you know, you know, right, and so, um, so I'm not taking her to that conference, because I will have no time available for her. Would I love for her to be there every night when I crawl in bed. Yes, I would love it. Would I like to see her in the mornings and see her wag her little rear end? Yes, of course I would. But it's not a great atmosphere for her.

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We would call that selfish. Right?

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Okay. So yeah, so I leave her here. So that's those are the kinds of considerations when should make when you talk first about traveling. The other thing is, if they have a hiccup if they get sick, if they have like, a bad day or whatever, and we're gonna have time to address that appropriately. That's a big hard pass. When I'm in Las Vegas for me know, when you're working for sure. Yeah, whenever working. Okay. So yeah, so that's your first consideration. Good job, Dr. Jason, for bringing that up. Okay. So now if you've made the determination, that it is a good trip, you do want to take your pet, let's talk about what else do we need to think about? And how can we do it safely? So first, let's just get the big elephant out of the room? Is it international travel? Or is it domestic travel, there's gonna be a difference. Those are radically different things for animals as they are for you, right? Think about it.

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I don't travel. I barely travel as it is. So I'm gonna have to like ask you the questions. So Dr. Jenn, when you travel internationally? Is it a very different? Do you have to have different requirements even for you?

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Well, sure enough, yes. So I gotta have my passport. If I'm going somewhere truly exotic, then I've got to have shots like, you know, certain vaccines? Do I have to have preventive medications? is in the EU, right? Yeah. You know, the malaria belt or whatever. And so there are of course, you know, the same counterparts for taking your pet does the does the country you're traveling to allow for your pet to come? Because some don't let pets come? Can Do you have to get certain shots, you have to have health certificate, all those things are time sensitive. So you need to check that out way before you think you're gonna go. Right? You have,

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do you have a lot of clients that come to you? And say, hey, I want to travel, what do I need for going to, you know, Istanbul or somewhere that you're not like a normal thing, but they kind of expect? Or, you know, I mean, well, obviously, where else are they going to turn? That's their first place to ask is a veterinarian, right, whatever. Yeah,

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yeah. So I mean, I think I have I don't think I have a ton. I mean, it's not it's not rare, but it's also it's not uncommon, but some common I would call it that not uncommon for Yeah, for clients to come in, ask what they need. Now you can help your vet out because that's the other thing is, not every veterinarian can write a health certificate, or is comfortable with guiding you on the requirements for travel with your pet internationally. Or even actually, just domestically. They're not not all of them can do Hellstrom. So you need to find out if your veterinarian can write a House Trip kit, you need to find out if they're comfortable doing all these things before you go, but you also can check out the requirements. We're gonna drop some links in the show notes.

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Here Yeah,

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we are we're gonna give you a resource. Yeah, yeah, there's some sources so we're gonna put some trusted resources. In fact, we'll put a Number of credible sources for you in the show notes here as we move through our conversation for places where you can find information about what's necessary for your pet to travel. Okay, so moving that to the side international versus domestic, then our big question is Jason, what's always the big question? For you?

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With travel? Do I have to go? That's fine. Okay, so you've already now my next biggest question is, Can I do this virtually? Is there any way I could just sit on my couch and do it? No, no, thanks, COVID.

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Yeah, no, I think it's great. Now you're going okay, so you're really going to go? Yeah, so what's your next question is how are you going to get there? Right? Oh,

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that's everyone's question. How am I going to get there? Actually, my question was, is where I'm going going to take pets, but I think you're just better. It's a more logical question. How am I going to get

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Yes? How are you going to get there? You're gonna drive or fly? Right? That's the two major ways people get places these days. So yeah, so if you're flying, I mean, I think all major airlines charge a fee for your pet to go. You know, whether it's like seven $5 for them to go in the cabin with you. If they'll even let

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them go in. Right. I was gonna say it actually depends a lot of it. And they have a lot of requirements. And they and you have to check. Almost like if you're planning ahead, which is what you shouldn't be doing. You still should check, you know, up until maybe a week before because things change. They usually give you a leeway. But they they have lists of certain breeds of dogs that can go now and temperature requirements and no fluctuate. And so there's a lot more to it than just calling up a week before saying hey, I want to bring my my farm fresh Frenchie. So sit in my lap to be no problem, right? Because it may not. It may not. Oh, no

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that easily, right. Dr. Jason, there was no sitting in the lap. Oh, see,

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I didn't even know I don't I don't know these things. It's like it. Danger. Well,

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they have to go in a bag. And I know nobody puts baby in a bag but your

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dog put your cat you don't know. They gotta say something, I guess. Right. So yeah, traveling, traveling.

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It's got to have a like, I think there's all the there's rules, right? It has to be the size that can fit underneath the seat in front of you. Right. And that is your carry on? Right? You can. Yeah, but yeah, and so um, anyway. So yeah, it's got to fit in a bag in the in the bag has to have mesh on the sides. RV, because they don't stop breathing underneath the seat in front of you. Yeah. The other thing is,

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but I gotta tell you, that's not always the case. Right. So you should call because I was on a jet airliner, you know, a few weeks ago. And

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Jason, was it a big old jet? It's

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a big ol jet airliner. Yeah, that's right. Like a song. Anyways, I got it good reference. But it was a German Shepherd Dog. Like, you know, at the front door Shut the front door sitting right below this guy is just sprawled out like nuts sprawled out, but you know, as small as you could get. He can't get to fit under that seat. Give me a break. But he sat. There was an IOC and he said kind of right in the eye but didn't get the best dog didn't do anything. You know, I have no idea. I have no idea

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that you did that was an act like a real live service dog.

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Oh, that's the question. Right? I get that question. A lot. service dog. companion animal. I don't want to get into it. I'm gonna know about it.

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Yeah. Okay. So, like, friends. Let me just let me let me let me clarify this for everyone. Because it became a big deal. Because as humans do, everyone pushes everything to the limit, right? So a peacock is not defined as a service animal. So the federal government defines a service animal and you can find it in the Americans with Disabilities Act, I believe. And FEMA also defines it. A service animal is a dog. Right? They discriminate against species. It used to be like fun fact it used to be a dog or a miniature horse. Right now, it is a dog, okay, only a dog, a dog, a dog that has been trained to perform a task associated with your disability, right,

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for that specific individual and disability. So that's the definition of that's the accepted definition of a service animal.

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But they they also have dogs that provide for PTSD support for people diagnosed with with PTSD and afforded a service animal. That one is covered under the definition, okay. But emotional support and Animals

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ESA, right? That's what it's called I

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know, emotional support animals, such as cozy pet. Because don't I mean, don't all pets provide emotional support?

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I think they could all fall with under that category for sure.

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Because that is not trained to do anything. No kidding.

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Oh, sorry. No. Yeah. Not at all. Really trained.

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So emotional support or therapy, dogs, cats, peacocks, rodents. Cats, what have you. Those do not qualify as service animals under the federal definition of a service animal. And the airlines took a hard stance, I think it was last year, and said, We will no longer accept anything except service animals. And companion animals falling under the definition. Yeah, the requirements of what they will show you.

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So I think that the cat Shepherd Dog, well, because he was super well behaved, sir. Yes, it was a sense our flight, and it was delays. And he was just like, chilling the whole time, right? Not even nervous one. Yeah, service animals

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are trained for such behavior, right. So the other thing is service. So Service animals must be accepted anywhere that their person can go, right. And they don't charge them extra. And they don't have to fit those restrictions, as long as they fit the definition of service animal. But I will tell you that if service animals are not behaved, then a business can can ask them to leave, right? They don't have to accept bad behavior. So if a service animal is growling, and biting, or or yeah, they have to be under the control of the person at all at all times, obviously.

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So I didn't even know that so so the airlines no longer accept. You can't you can't bend the rules by calling it an ESA and emotional support animal. I don't know. Anyways, that's yeah, they were forced to take that stance because of you know, humans will be humans. We are a lovely species. And we push, push, push, push as much as we can, right? The safety issue,

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right? And here at chats, like we're we're not trying to, in any way, undermine the value that your pet provides you and you provide them. We're not We're not like, demeaning the relationship you have with them are their importance in your life at all. We're saying that the law has drawn this line. Yep. Right. And the airlines are sticking to it. So if you want to travel with your animal, and they are not a defined service animal, you should make sure that the airline is going to allow that,

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right? Absolutely. We are just conveying the information to the wide world of animal lovers so that they don't get themselves in a pickle, right? Who wants to be walking up to the desk and they say you can't take this dog and I didn't know what now that you chatter, the chatter fields you do know and always get your head right. Where the airlines as it pertains to what this what this one specific thing have drawn the line and they are, they are going to be hard pressed across it. Right.

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Okay. So if you have a pet that is usually they're smaller, right? And they fit the definition, their restrictions and whatever, and they're going to travel with you in the cabin. Then you do need to make other considerations like, can they sit for a direct flight? That six hours across country? Yeah, I know. Yep. Or should you purposely book a flight that has a layover halfway so they can walk into the terminal and walk to the pet elimination area that most airports have? And make extra time? Because they don't have them everywhere? But can they do they need a break? This is how much I don't travel

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elimination areas in airports. Now I live here since the 70s. Right? I have no idea.

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Yeah. But they don't have they don't have them near every gate. Right. So, you know, it may be need to put a little bit of extra layover time. Right. Right.

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Right. And I know I know, most people like to, that's a that's another great point, you book a direct flight for yourself, however, you got to consider your whole party and if you have a pen, maybe it is time to take an extra few hours or more than give them a chance to stretch your legs if they're not used to it right.

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So and there's an end if you have an anxious pet and you don't have any choice and they have to go with you yada yada yada. Then also talk to your vet and tell them what's about to happen because they know your pet right and they'll be like oh my lord for the sake of the other passengers and you let me give you let me give you some Better Living Through Chemistry right. And they might give you a prescription they might give you some tips on how to help your your pet remain calm. You know that sort of thing. I mean, Gabapentin for cats. It's kitty magic, right? You know, because they gotta go through secure Do you know? So talk to your veterinarian? And make sure Okay, so those are like my tips for flying safely with your pet.

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Talk to your veterinarian. Think about where you're going. Yeah, call the airline and then move on. Yeah, you sure? Yeah. Make sure make sure I guess there's not much you can do to kind of train your pet to be ready for an airplane. Right? It's just there's nothing you can do is a little bit different for the next next topic, but

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yeah, but I would try putting them in the bag for you. No, I mean, hello. Yeah, yeah, that's fun. Okay. So now if you're not flying Are you driving?

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Most people are driving there's an Amtrak right. You ever heard of Amtrak? I've been on Amtrak? Yes. I don't think that take place. But anyways, they might call the I would hope so. Yeah, yeah. But anyways, drive, right.

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Yeah, most people drive I love a road trip. I mean, Jason remember when we were growing up? We took road to Father Time.

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Yes. And we talked about this right. And they were very different. We were super unsafe, but a lot of fun. In the back, no seat belts rolling around. That was great fun SUVs back then with a conversation wagons were absolutely you know, the bomb diggity for traveling across the country. So yeah, great. We look forward to it. Now. It's a little different.

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Now. They're all stirred. Everybody's strapped in and strapped down. And

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yeah. No Fun, right?

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Yeah. I mean, playing playing a card game or, or even a Monopoly board game. But not quite as easy. Yeah. As it was when we were growing up in the back of his dish wagon. So yeah, okay, so if you're driving, hear me on this. If your pet drools writing to the veterinarian and pukes, when they get there, maybe don't take them on a long car trip, like on a road trip. And if you have to, again, that are living through chemistry, ask your veterinarian

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now or another thought is because if that's the only place you take your vet is always in the car always going to the veterinarian, you know, hate to say this, the dogs or cats or pets are smart enough to figure that out. Maybe you put them in the car and drive somewhere nice. Right? And maybe they won't be so stressful about the car. Maybe it's not Yeah, actual ride in the car. But it's the actual destination. Right? Yeah. So you can try that. You know, and, you know, if you don't want to do the Better Living Through Chemistry, we'll try both right. It's always good.

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I mean, I think that trial runs are always a good plan. Right? So, you know, going to half hour down the road is a good idea to check it out. Because if they start to panic, you don't want them to do that, you know, 20 minutes into the ride on the freeway. What a terrible trip. Oh, holy moly. Yeah. And if they vocalize, you know, a lot of cats will vocalize. Here's the other thing. Traveling safely with your pet, especially on the freeway, they should not be losing your car either. Just like with the kids. Because if you can, if you get in a fender bender, like, you know, your Frenchie could go through the windshield, just in a fender bender. So I also recommend is also not safe because you could cause the fender bender, because there are right under your palm. Or how many of us have this on your head?

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Listen, how many of us have been driving with adult and I'm not making fun of anybody here. But y'all know who you are. You're riding around with going 60 miles an hour with the dog in your lap while you are driving. Yeah, so let's say not judging, but maybe not the safest situation.

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Right. Right. I think if you do that, then you have to take back everything you've ever said about the woman putting on mascara while driving?

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I don't know you're poking near your eye and the others. Okay, fine, take it back. I'm not gonna get it, take it back. Take practice is wholly unsafe,

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totally unsafe. But what I would recommend is getting actually a car seat for your pet. Yeah, that's the thing. I mean, because that has one. It's lovely. She actually really, really likes it. I took it out of the box and put it on the floor in the living room. And she took a nap in it. Oh, that's

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great. Do you think we could? If it's possible, we'll drop on internet, but you can have a look at it. because not a lot of people know about that. Oh, yeah.

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Or I mean, if you look, if you look on Instagram or YouTube, there's a video of her on her weekly commute. Oh, yeah. And her car scene. So yeah, so you want to make sure that the car seat actually straps your pet to something significant, not just to the styrofoam. So what does that mean? Well if like if you google and if you know you know, right, like if you Google for car seats for dogs in particular. You know,

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just I've never done that just FYI. So go ahead and film just just

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make sure because some of the car seats will you hook your your dog's harness but it's like just hooked to styro and the or foam and the the seat itself is really strapped in but the Boom. Oh, I

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get it. I get it. So like yes, not. Yeah. So you need to so you have a good one right? You have a good strap in their situation, because that is safe. Okay. Yeah, well, you're driving so we don't know how safe goes that might come on,

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come on, okay. And for cats and for other dogs that you don't put a you know you're not see belting in with their harness. If you put them in a kennel or in a crate, it is a good idea actually to secure that crate. So either secured on the floorboard, you can use a bungee cord or secured in the back. So that if you your car, heaven forbid if your car rolls, they don't roll. You know,

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we're planning for. Yes, folks, we're planning for disaster. Of course the dog might be 100% safe 80% 90% of the time running around the car. We're just worried about that. One time it happens. You wouldn't want to be okay, but your pet not be okay. It because

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you don't need it until you need it. Right. Like everything. Yeah, yeah, like everything. doesn't talk about it. Okay. So. So there's that. The other thing is you need to build in a little extra time. Like Jason remember, what when we were growing up? When would we stop? Never know, we would only stop for gas.

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We only had to plan all of your all of your bodily function trips, whether it be hunger or you know, eliminating stuff around the gas tank.

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It's true. It's true. And that's I'm gonna tell you what that's like a super hard habit to break.

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It really isn't unfortunately, like, some of these folks have these electric cars or these cars. They're a little bitty they go like 6 million miles before. Not happening. Right? It's terrible. Yeah, the disadvantage of having an eco friendly car,

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right, it is, but I'll tell you what, when when I drive with cars that like when we drove to, to Biloxi, Mississippi, a few months ago, I stopped at rest areas. Just for her because they Yeah, cuz they have a dog. Like, yeah. And so it was also her first car trip. Really? No, I've heard first really long, you know, drive eight hours hardship or whatever. She you know, she's gone two or three hours, but so I would stop every two or three hours. To let her get out. Walk around a little bit on a leash with a harness. Hello. And then that. And, and so yeah, so that brings me to something else to do. There's not really any good way to fit this into the flow. But get a microchip in your pet before you travel with them. Because if you do have an accident, and your pet is loose, for whatever reason, you want them to have a microchip so that they can from the scene, you can get

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them planning for the worst case scenario, but appreciate it when it happens. It's always you know, it's not a bad idea to have a microchip in any Yes, right? Does that face the pet and you get separated

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and register the microchip. Don't just put it in there. Register the microchip so they know that it's your pet is an important step. Holy moly, friends. Okay. Baby steps, right. Okay. It's like, it's like that old Seinfeld episode. Don't just take the reservation. Yep. Keep the reservation. Yeah, don't just put the chip in register there.

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I think a lot of people think that you put the chip in, it's automatically like beamed up to the cloud. Right? So no, I don't know Jack. No, not yet. I mean, I'm sure we'll get there. But right now you got to type it in call the people get the numbers for that number means something otherwise, yep, that's pet number, whatever, whatever.

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Exactly. And we're going to actually going to have a total a whole episode upcoming. In the next season of chats. We'll have a whole episode on microchips because that whole galaxy has morphed and the microchip does way more than just read a number now. So little suspense there. Yeah, look for that. Okay. And eventually, I guess we'll put like a little card, a little link at the top of this video that you can get to it. Alright, so now we know how we're gonna get there. And we're going to do it safely with our pets so now,

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but it's a question we should have asked maybe in the beginning, I don't know where you're headed. But for both traveling and and Oh, yeah. So how are we going to get there? Yeah, what's gonna happen when you get there? I get it. So that's the next question. That's it. I was gonna get that. Like, we didn't talk about this as flying but we're only talking about how we're going now is just yeah, I get it. Now. The big question. Once you're there, right. However you got there. Yeah. are blessed plane or train.

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Where are you staying?

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Yeah. What are you staying? Who are you staying with? Right? Do they like to they have kids? They have other pets at the hotel? Oh, fan? What kinds of questions why would it be

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important if they have kids? That's what I want to know. With kids. You have three little munchkins. I

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do I do and they have animals around their house, but maybe some people don't? And maybe yeah, you know, kids don't always know exactly how to act as they've never been told. It's not their fault. They just don't know how to act on pets and that puts everybody in a bad situation. You know me I like to sort of avoid those if I can. Yeah, at all. cause but so you have to talk to the folks that you're going to be around with your pet. Yeah, kind of make sure he's okay with it.

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Well, I think another thing too is that your pet like me, I don't have kids at home. So cozy that sees these small humans who make really high pitched noises and move with jerky motions. This is not exactly her jam, right. And so your pet, if they've never been exposed to kids, that's a whole different world of interesting and some of them don't like it. So I think it's always important to consider where you're going and who else might be there while you stay. The other thing is, it's a lot of stimulation for your pet, if they're used to you and like, because that's used to me in the cottage. That's it. So being thrown into a time where she may have 10 people, some of whom are little, some of them are really excitable. That's a lot of stimulation. And she needs her beauty sleep. So give your pet like some time off.

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It's funny, because those of us that have that, you know, that have the privilege of having having animals with us just assume everybody does. And that's simply not not the case. There are there are folks out there who, for whatever reason, don't have dogs and cats around. And so it's you have to you can't just assume everybody's like, even though you think, Oh, who wouldn't want to have these guys have great look what they provide for us? They can't or they won't, or they just don't don't don't have them? relation for everyone. Can you imagine those young people or even adults? Sometimes you've never been on animals? How would they react to a brand new situation? You know, crazy.

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Yet another reason? Because that has not made her debut in Las Vegas yet? Because that's stimulating enough for her mom. With all of this. I mean, the city never never turned the lights out. Right? So yeah, so it's a lot. Yeah. Okay. So what if you're staying in a hotel? Jason, do you know what hotel chains will accept pets?

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I do not how, however, if I was ever to take one of my animals, I would absolutely call ahead and find one because I know they do exist. So

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they do. So some of them actually are quite pet friendly. I don't know of any that don't charge a fee. But that just could be me. So be prepared for a non refundable pet fee, which is basically just like a tax on pet owners who travel with their pets.

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Or they have to do extra cleaning. And because you know, with the hotel, there's other people besides, you know, I know, it's hard for you to imagine that. But there's other people before you, and especially after you so they have a little bit of extra cleaning, I'm sure.

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Yeah, they do. And some of them will accept pets of a certain size limit, etcetera. So, but here's the thing when you stay in a hotel, if you leave your pet in the room while you're gone. Who's looking out for your pet? Right? No one so you have to be careful

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windows just was looking over your butt. And we've I think we've all you know, heard, you know, dogs barking in hotel room. And you just wonder right? What's happening? I mean, sometimes I couldn't help it right. But but sometimes it's just poor planning, right? And so right to think about all these things. So

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yeah, you gotta think about that. But you also think about the service folks coming in and out of your room during the day. So if at all possible, I My recommendation is to avoid leaving your pet alone in a hotel room ever. Because remember, it's not your home, it's a hotel. And so you just don't want to have any hiccups. Nothing happening while you're not there. Keep them with you if you can, so that they're okay. If they bark their little heads off. I would not leave them ever. But yeah, but you just don't want to like an unsuspecting made may do maybe they have a fear of dogs. And they open the door and there's your dog and you love your dog and they don't. They might escape they might, you know, who knows? So just keep

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them well, or maybe the best thing right? They escaped. I got to put someone get hurt and also that $30 extra charge. I'm not sure it covers like total room to stretch to talk. It's a little it doesn't it chews up the bed. I don't think that I paid my 30 bucks. I'm covered. I don't think that's what that is. So

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it doesn't so if they go to the bathroom inappropriately, right? If they forget their manners, if they chew up something, hey, you got to pay for that. So yeah, so it's just just keep them with you. So there's supervised. And then here's my favorite thing to talk about. One would think that it would be totally okay. Every time always to take your pet camping, wouldn't it?

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I would think so. Be great fun, right? It could

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be it could be it could also be the most dangerous thing

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I would I would always say if your your lovely companion animal is used to that kind of stuff right? I think it'd be great fun. Yeah, it could be You're right. I'm not sure how zet would do can't be I'm also not sure how it goes. That's mom would do camping but that's it. Hold on. I don't know how she did. So I would I would say get your pet used to it if you can, but

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it can't be a ton of fun. So I'm totally down with glamping

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I don't think anybody would. glamping is I do I don't think anyone mentioned glamping I think we should camping.

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It's true. I am. I'm kind of a I am kind of a like kicking and screaming camper. But But I have done it. I can do it. If, if this is like what's necessary, but I'm not the person who's going to be like, Hey, let's go camping because it's totally fun to live like, like, we haven't evolved with electricity and. And climatized spaces and such. Yeah, but yeah, but there's a lot of distractions. So especially if you have a dog that loves to put their nose down and go be prepared for that. That's not necessarily always fun.

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New smells out there in the wilderness. Yeah,

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lots of stuff to eat, too. You know, it's, it's interesting. And here's then my pitch for if you're going to go camping, or go to hotel or take your pet traveling at all, I don't care where you're from. You put that pet on flea prevention.

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Don't bring your problems the rest of the world. All right.

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Oh my Lord. If you think that you have one of those miracle households that doesn't have fleas, even though you don't have flea prevention. Okay, when when you exit your delusion and you enter the world with the rest of us, please put your pet on flea prevention when you travel with them. It's it's a thing it really is. And if you're not sure it's a thing, go listen to our episode about itchy pets. Okay, it's a thing friends. Yeah. So talk to your vet and get

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close. If you talk to your vet and you don't have flea prevention. Your veterinarian is going to take that opportunity to push it one more time.

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Good lord. Yeah, and yes, yes, please.

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I would say though on the camping thing, I'm not a big outdoors kind of person one night may be fun but if your pet is used to that, but there's a ton of fun right but yeah, only if your pet is used to otherwise you gotta worry about a lot of stuff so but you can there's ways you can just like everything else you can get them used to you can sort of fake camp in your backyard or or do something right and and I'm sure there's websites dedicated to to to pets camping and safely how to do it but if you get used to it, man that would be a be interesting, right? So

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it is it can be really fun. Daisy used to go camping we she went camping.

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Did she go camping with fun? me tell the truth. Oh, no. was believing it? Come on.

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I was younger than maybe we didn't have electricity yet. No, I'm just kidding. But she did go camping. It was a lot of fun. Yeah. Okay. So now that we figured out how you're getting there, where you're staying and how to do that safely. The big the next big question people ask is like, what should you take? Right?

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Meaning what? Like, what should you take for your your? Pet your companion? Yeah. Okay. All right.

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And I think that's an easy thing to answer. We sit down. Yeah. Like, you think of just like you pack for yourself. Like all the things that you might use in a day. The same thing for your pet. So you, you know what, like, sit down and in your mind. What do you need every day? Well, they got to eat. And they eat out of the bowl.

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Yep, they do. They have to eat. That's an A and they drink. All right. How much food should you take? is the big question. I know you're getting there. How much food do you recommend? A person takes for their for their animal?

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Yeah, so I usually recommend to people that they take enough food for each day, right? Plus three days. So if you're going to be gone for five days, I would take hold on a day.

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Okay, I was gonna do the math real quick. But you did

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eight days worth of food for your pet. Okay? Just yet, just in case because stuff happens. Right? You know where you're going to stay. Maybe you don't realize that their dog is going to come eat your dog's food and they eat that dog your dog's food. And then you're like, but I only brought just enough, right? And what you don't want to do is have to change your dog's food to something you got at the closest convenience store. Because you ran out that's like a recipe for

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then you'll have an interesting trip and a ride. Can you imagine that you're trying to get

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fun, whether it's you or your pet?

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That's a great point. It's a great point. Yeah.

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So I say take extra and any medication. The same thing if your pet takes medication every day, or every other day or twice a week, then you should take some of that and you should take enough to get through the trip. Plus three days

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and probably some of the as needed some some of these animals are on the as needed. Take them because who knows you're gonna you're gonna you do just never know, what we'll do is we'll take the as needed. situation. So,

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yeah, here's where the anxiety comes into. Right. So that's why talking with your vet about your pet specific situation is very helpful. Because they may they may say, You know what? I think that I think, well, Leroy needs this way, if you're gonna travel this way, and you're gonna stay there, let me make a recommendation that we do this.

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Well, if my Leroy had better be a lot of something, and it better be strong.

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That's true. It's true. So yeah, so think about those things. I think you should be sure and get a copy of your pets rabies certificate to take with you whether it's necessary or not. In any vaccine records that you have just in case, your veterinarian can just,

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it's a requirement right? Every state across state lines. This is just a message of I think it's actually required that you have your dog vaccinated and a copy of it now. They don't they don't always ask for it. Right. But you're supposed to have it. So it's super easy to carry. Just carry it with you carry a file that you carry file for your stuff. With, with your with all your paperwork. Now, going to Hawaii is a whole different salutely. We can talk about that later. So

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Holy moly. Yeah. Or Puerto Rico really, really pleased? Island. So yeah, yeah. Yeah. And here's the other thing that I wanted to mention, for sure, most of our pets, some of them are not on it. But a lot of pets these days are on probiotics routinely. But if your pet is on probiotics, yes, that's a medication. Yes, you should take it with you. If they're not on probiotics, and it's going to be one of their first travel episodes or adventures. Maybe ask your your vet if they don't mention probiotics, you should ask your vet about those.

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I love. So great. If you don't know not to just talking about GI upset, it helps it helps with vomiting and diarrhea, all of that sort of sort of stuff. If especially if it's stress induced in a new environment, which you're about to be putting your you know, your pet

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in. Yeah. Yes, yes. And so those are the meds that your pet sometimes need. Yeah, so. So make sure that you've got proof of rabies vaccination. So get a rabies certificate and vaccine records from your vet, they'll just print them out for you. If you give them time, if you call Ed, any meds that your pet is on, and any meds they sometimes need. And if they're not on anything, it might be good to let your veterinarian know you're gonna be traveling. They may prescribe some just in case herbs and some probiotics for you to start a couple days before and continue through your trip. So I've taken enough.

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Yeah, I like to interrupt you. You're on data roll here. But you say stuff and I think about stuff. We talked about rabies and rabies vaccination rabies certificate, but do they require health certificate to travel, like on a plane or something like that to most places require some sort of CVI or which by the way, the same thing, health health certificate? They do?

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Yeah. So a certificate of veterinary inspection or a health certificate is the same thing. Yeah, so I think airlines require it. And it's a good idea to have one if you're leaving the state, right. It's a good idea to have one, even if you're just visiting, you may not have to have one, but it's a good idea.

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Those are those have an expiration date. They're not good forever, right? That doesn't make any sense. No, no, no. What the paper saying is this pet at this point in time is healthy enough to travel. That's basically what he's saying. Right? And so how long are they good for is I'm sure it depends state to state, but what's the

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state to state and country to country? So 10 days, or 30 days? You know, it's usually one of the

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difference right? In the 30. But maybe you should want to go ahead and call ahead. But I think also many United States or 30 days, right, I think

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yeah, it's a lot of preparation, a lot of preparation. I mean, if you're going to the Bahamas, and you're able to take a pet with you because you're Bahamian, it has to be within I think 48 to 72 hours. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, so these are these are the things all the things that your veterinarian probably knows. So talk to your veterinarian about that. And then there's food and water bowls, and I will say just a brief plug. We don't usually do this but I'll say a brief plug for our veterinary strength supplements from full bucket. They have some really good daily dog and daily cat. So if you're traveling consider those because they are veterinary strength supplements. And they sponsor chats with chat fields. Yes. I saw the veterinary strike me but veterinary I saw it friends holy moly, I don't need to see it again. And take some toys. Don't forget to take toys for your pet. Distraction. Reminder,

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we take our toys, the phone, we do stuff, right? We do. So yeah.

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So take some toys for your friend. So um, we're going to drop a lot of helpful links in the show notes for you guys. To all the things that we We've discussed here to get you started. But basically, I guess, Jason, I could sum all this up to say, if you're going to travel with your pet, be considerate of their needs and their perspective. And plan appropriately. Right?

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That's a good sum up. If you've never traveled with a pet, it can seem like a lot. And you may want to do to I don't want to do this, but I will, I will urge you not to do is it is a lot, but it's not of it's very hard, right? And you can if you're going to a crazy exotic country, okay, that might actually become difficult. But if you're just traveling, like, like regular going to see family or going to wherever, it can be quite fun to take your pet with you. There are additional requirements, and you should look into it. And do it because your pet would actually love it. They get they probably love to go and see stuff, right and see other people and stuff like that and see you doing other things. It's a lot. I've heard it can be a lot of fun. So it's not we don't mean to scare you off. But there are some things to consider that maybe you hadn't thought about, especially if it's your Yeah, your first time. So

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yeah, traveling with pets is fun. It is fun. So, alright, so I guess, travel safe out there.

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And Dr. Jane, I hope to see you in the air because she travels all the time.

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Oh, I will hope to see you in the air. And if you see me and I don't see you come on, where are they? Hey. Yeah, so I guess that's it for traveling safely with your pets. I'm Dr. Jenn the vet and I'm Dr. Jason. I will catch you on the next episode of chats with Chatfield

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